Tuesday, January 29, 2008

A Copic Marker / Prismacolor "Premier" Pencil Comparison

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Click on this image: can you see the difference? Is that difference worth hundreds of dollars??

I'm being completely honest when I tell you that I'm a tool junkie. I love tools, all tools, any tools. I covet tools! And I don't discriminate, I want 'em all: markers, pencils, rulers, tapes, glues, punches, scissors, dies, eyelet setters, embossing tools, measuring tools, sanding tools, well, you get the picture!

When the Prismacolor Premier colored pencils first came on the rubber stamping/paper crafting scene, they were hailed as the greatest. thing. ever. to use for coloring. And while that's still true, and no secret to the hundreds of thousands of artists who'd been (and still are) using these amazing pencils, the rubber stamping/paper crafting world quickly embraced them, cherished them, and called them their own.

But now, suddenly, they've been pushed aside by the newest. greatest. thing. ever: Copic markers.

I own $80.00 worth of Prismacolor Premier pigment pencils ... or, 72 colored pencils. I also own $160.00 worth of Copic markers ... or, 48 markers. So, in a convoluted manner of speaking, I've paid twice as much for the Copic's and got half as many coloring tools ... and my marker collection is far from complete. I definitely need more of the lighter shades for blending. I figure I need at least another 6 or 8 markers (at 3.99 +/- each), to complete my somewhat limited palette.

I'd also like to point out that I'm purchasing Copic 'Ciao' markers; not the more expensive 'Sketch' markers.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that I'm a beginner with the Copic's ... there's a fairly steep learning curve with these tools and I've got a long way to go. But today, as a test, I decided to stamp and color two images: one with the Copic's and one with the Prismacolor's.

I used the same card stock to stamp my image; I also used the same ink. And I tried to match the colors I used as carefully and as closely as possible. When completed, I mounted the stamped images on identical turquoise card stock.

Now, look again at the above photo ... they match up pretty closely, wouldn't you say?

As far as ease of use goes, I have to pick the Prisma's. In fact, I basically scribble in my colors, blending with an inexpensive paper stump and odorless mineral spirits, also quite inexpensive. I go back over my colored images with lighter tones in the same color family, creating highlights, and darker tones creating shadows. The truth is, most art-style rubber stamps are created with shading marks indicating where the stamp artist wants his or her shadows. If I make a mistake, or go out of the lines, I can erase the wayward pencil marks and continue. It's pretty hard to go wrong here.

Using the Copic's, I find I have far less brush control; even the super brush end is fairly wide. By and large, I'm coloring rubber stamped images and more often than not these images are small ... in fact, downright tiny in some cases! Imagine how much better these markers would be if that brush was half of it's current size.

Which causes me to mention this: there's no erasing your mistakes using alcohol-based markers. You may be able to remove some of the color using your colorless blender but it's not going away. Which is why most artists recommend that when you create an image to color, create two ... or even three, so that you're prepared for the almost inevitable coloring mishap.

One other thing I dislike about the Copic's is the bleed-through they create. I realize that most people aren't going to pull up my colored image to see what the backside looks like but I know it's there and I don't like it much. I always use top-of-the-line 110# card stock or Bristol vellum for stamping and coloring; this isn't about coloring on an inferior paper. I can't help but wonder what this bleed-through does, or might do, to the overall integrity of the card stock.

Also, you must be absolutely certain you've really snapped those marker covers on tightly; left open, or even slightly uncovered, they'll completely evaporate in a matter of hours. And I've discovered that a marker that looks tightly closed, isn't necessarily ... push harder a second time on your closed cap, and I'll bet you'll feel it 'snap' together. So, on top of all my usual craziness, I'm now paranoid about firmly capping (and double-checking), my Copic's!

The last thing is a minor detail but worth mentioning when using alcohol-based markers and inks. They stain. Badly. And usually, permanently.

On the Copic plus side, these markers are refillable and the nibs are replaceable. I've no idea what a new nib, or a set of new nibs costs, but I do know that it's not cheap to refill the markers. Having said that though, refilling your marker is far less expensive than replacing it.

I also like the wide range of colors available for the Sketch markers ... although the range is not nearly as wide if you're purchasing the Ciao's, as I am.

You can also airbrush with the Sketch Copic's ... you can't airbrush with the Ciao's, but I hear through the alcohol marker grapevine *wink* that there will be an airbrush system available sometime in the future for use with the Ciao's.

Somewhere here in blogdom I recently watched a video tutorial by a smart gal who uses dimensionals to adapt the airbrush fittings to accept the Ciao's. If anyone has a link or remembers the name and/or blog of this savvy marker person, let me know and I'll add it to this post.

The one thing I do love about the Copic's is that you can color-match practically anything with them. Don't have a ribbon to match to your project? Grab your Copic and color one to match! You can color acetate, metal, acrylic, fabric, and lots more. As a rule, if you can color it with alcohol ink, you can color it with your Copic's.

But as much as I love the idea of perfectly matching ribbon, I just don't think the end justifies the very expensive means. I can only go by my own experience and comparisons, but I honestly don't see all that much of a difference in these two samples. Do you?

Oh, the Copic colored image is on the left; the Prismacolor pencil colored image is on the right.

From my personal blurfing around in blogdom, I've noticed that lots of artists are really on the fence about purchasing these markers. The cost, obviously, is a huge factor. And the learning curve is steep. And by and large, most of us are using Copic markers to color rubber stamped images; which, while oftentimes beautiful, meaningful, and important, aren't exactly timeless masterpieces.

So, honestly, is the difference in these colored images worth the price?!?

You know what? I don't think it is ...

I'd love to have your opinion! Please feel free to post your thoughts and feelings on this subject so that we all might benefit from your knowledge. And it's a safe bet that you've got way more experience with Copic's than I.

Thanks so much for sharing part of your day with me!!

~Hugs, Deb

* EDITED TO ADD: I believe I've inadvertently caused a little confusion here. The Prismacolor pencils I'm referring to throughout are the Prismacolor 'Premier' pigment pencils ... NOT Prismacolor watercolor pencils (which are also terrific but not the subject of this post). Thanks!

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

I actually like the one on the right better! A little brighter!

Just been reading your Q&A... thank you! I am new to this hobby, so I appreciate reading everyone's expertise and opinions!

Lovely cards you've made also!

Leah said...

I really appreciated your honest review. I just bought the Prisma watercolors and just love them. One reason I went with them was the cost and also I didn't want to use gamsol. I think they are just as nice as the regular ones. Personally I really like the Prisma example you did better than the Copics. I agree, the price isn't worth it.

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Anita Van Hal said...

I appreciate your honest review as well--I really wanted to jump on the Copic bandwagon, but I just recently invested in the WHOLE set of Prismacolo pencils (156), so needed to hold off a bit. I love the pencils and don't mind using Gamsol--it' much easier to use than I thought it would be. I got the pencils for almost 1/2 off through Dick Blick. And, guess what? A couple months later I got all the Prismamarkers as well for almost 50% off too--I'm very pleased with them. I got the entire set for much less than Copics, and LOVE how well they blend, etc. Do I still "want" Copics? Sure--I love all tools just like you do...but are they worth that much money to me? Certainly not at this time. I'm more than satisfied with what I have...two complete sets of Prismacolors!

Anita Van Hal

Laura Evangeline said...

I'm a dedicated Prisma girl!

Charmingdesigns said...

Just checking around about the Copic and came across your blog. I was thinking about taking a class to become certified...I dont own them, now I dont think I want to...but I liked the idea of the spray, I was thinking I could color my birds...but now I dont really think its worth the price. Thanks!! Laurie

Anonymous said...

I think the difference is not worth the hundreds of dollars. A very well written article thanks. I am alos a tool collectoer and I am shocked sometimes what i spend my money on and the use I get out of it. I spent about 200+ dollars on alcohol based inks for stamping/card making and made one card ! I think it must be a form of mental illness. I am hoping I dont get sucked into by Cricut stuff. I don't know if this is video you mentioned- but this is how too video on using OMS and pencil crayons on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ejo68aioM

Deb Neerman said...

"I think it must be a form of mental illness. I am hoping I dont get sucked into by Cricut stuff."

Hi Joyce ... I couldn't help but LOL when I read your comment. And yes, I do think there's a touch of craziness in this frenzy to have all of the latest, greatest, biggest, kewlest ... thing. Sadly, I'm just as guilty of it as the next stamper.

I did this little comparison for my own amusement and was astonished at the end result! I have stopped purchasing any add'l Copics but AM (occasionally .. when I find 'em on sale), adding to my Prisma collection. I truly think that for me, the Prismacolor pencils are the way to go.

Now, when I get my first piece in the MoMA, I'll be buyin' some more Copics ... oh. And takin' a class or two on their use as well!

Thanks for the link (which is great!) and for your comments. You've really added a lot to this discussion!

And no, I won't be getting a Cricut ... I still like my card making and crafting to be hand-done .. as much as possible anyway. Using these hi-tech electronic die-cutters almost seems like cheatin' to me!

Thanks for visiting and sharing your thoughts!

~Hugs, Deb

Anonymous said...

Hello...
I do love Coppics.
Just bought some last week.
You do need to buy blender families. meaning close to or within reasonable distance
of the other color.
I pick up color with my lighter tone from my darker marker.
It then blends really well on my Manga paper.
Paper also makes a huge diff when using copics...

Having said all that.. Your pencils do a wonderful job as well.
They are quite lovely!

Have fun and keep experimenting...

Anonymous said...

I just have to say that them kodak moments I've been looking at brings back happy memories!
I sit back with excitement and tears looking at this priceless art! Hey guys thanks so much for sharing, sometimes people need an enlightment of visual beauty to uplift the soul, and this sure did do the job!

Anonymous said...

Interesting discussion. I notice the difference between the two when coloring large areas. The prisma are limited in coloring even open fields. With small areas, I agree there isn't much difference. Try another example using a stamp or original drawing where you are coloring more open areas and see what you think with the even color and blending from one color to another. Having "used" my prisma's to stumps, I know will be buying new ones. Two prisma pencils equals one copic pricewise. I haven't run out of any colors from the copic, so I'm interested to see how long they last.

Donnas Den said...

I, like you hover around copic markers all the time, but have not yet been able to justify a puchase. I do have prismacolours and find that even with my amateurish collouring I can get really good results. I preferred the one on the right from first looking at it (I thought it was a clearer image) so was relieved to see it was the prismacolours. I think I'll stick to expanding my range (currently about 60).

Thanks for a really useful article.

Donna

Anonymous said...

I found this link for adapting the Ciao markers for the airbrush.

http://bianca-ars-longa.blogspot.com/2009/03/copic-ciao-airbrushing.html

Anonymous said...

Here's another video that shows how to adapt the Ciao markers for the airbrush system. I like this solution better than the tacky ball, but it seems like a more permanent solution.

The relevant part is at 4:00 minutes into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1e_qXyIm4M

Anonymous said...

Well, to be honest, while I like your Prismacolor sample, your copic sample is not done very well. I chalk that up to your being a newbie with them. I am not saying this to be mean or disprespectful. But, you asked for opinions. While your prismacolor has small areas of shading and larger areas of non-shading, your copic sample is almost all shaded with hardly any non-shaded areas. This is directly related to your coloring. The copic one could have been colored much better. If you really want to see some great samples of Copic use, look for Suzzanne Dean's blog, or Becka Feeken's blog.

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.
-Bonnie

Claudette said...

Well, you have saved me quite a bit of money! I was considering the Copic markers but was just not sure what exactly was so great that I need to spend that much money. I like that you did two identical (or at least as close as possible) for comparison purposes. I think i will stick with my Prisma pencils which i truly love. Thanks for the great information.
~Claudette

Andrea L - EnchantINK said...

Wow! This is certainly food for thought. I was uuummming and aaaahing about Copics ... so went online to see if there were any discussions after a friend recommended the Prismas! I am definitely interested in a cheaper option! Thanks for your help, Deb! Hugs xxx

Anonymous said...

I would like to know which ink you used that worked for both products. Thank you,
Ellen Barner
gratefulstamper@aol.com